Showing posts with label 8008 microprocessor. Show all posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2020

Intel 8008 Microprocessor began as a 'Computer Terminal Corporation 2200" - an Electronic Data Terminal

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This is a poplar post and I updated it and reposted it. David Larsen
The first 8 bit Intel microprocessor -the 8008 was the result of designing the Computer Terminal Corporation "CTC 2200" logic into a single chip.  The CTC2200 was a successful project to design an electronic version of the 'workhorse' Teletype data terminal  of the 60/70s  - the Teletype was an all mechanical  communications terminal with hundreds of gears and levers. .  CTC contracted  Intel to design a microprocessor however the process was slow and CTC did not  use the design.The result was Intel had its first 8 bit microprocessor (8008).  See short story about the interesting origin of the 8008 at the end of this post.

We are fortunate to have this CTC 2200 in our computer collection and on display in the museum.

See video of this computer "CLICK"


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CTC2200 data terminal
CTC2200 data terminal 

CTC's TTL-based desktop personal computer, called the Datapoint 2200, was unveiled in 1970, with cassette tapes for 130KB of mass storage and 8K of internal memory.

The first end user sale was to a chicken farmer in the South who programmed the CTC2200 to write payroll checks. So I you could say a chicken farmer was the first  user of a programmable microcomputer.


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CTC 2200 with case removed


The CTC 2200 is densely packed with Small Scale Integrated circuits and other parts. The mechanical design seems to be well done and the unit is solid and sturdy. ( also very heavy )







CTC2200 keyboard
CTC2200 keyboard

The design includes about 100 small scale integrated circuits along with discrete components- transistors - resistors -diodes and capacitors. In this photo you can see 4 printed circuit boards under the display and in back of the keyboard.  Their are 4 printed circuit boards under the tape deck area and 4 memory boards next to the CRT display.






CTC2200 back panel heat sink
CTC2200 back panel heat sink 

The unit was designed to fit in the same area as an IBM Selectric Typewriter. This did not give much room and the unit is packed with cards and circuits.

Here you see the large heat sink on the back of the terminal. It is heavy and weighs about 40 lbs.




CTC2200 memory cards
CTC2200 memory cards


The 4 memory cards each contain 4Kb of RAM for a total of 16 Kb. The CTC2200 machines with 16Kb sold for $16,000.







CTC2200 cassette tape decks
CTC2200 cassette tape decks



The unit had  2 read-write cassette decks for 130KB of mass storage.







CTC2200 CRT HV and driver circuits
CTC2200 CRT HV and driver circuits



A view of the high voltage for the CRT and Memory area.







CTC2200 serial # 498 on PC board
CTC2200 serial # 498 on PC board 




The only serial number I have found so far is 498 on the corner of this card.






Here is some great research about the first microprocessor - Ken Shirriff's Blog 


Short story about the origin of the Intel 8008 microprocessor.

The Teletype was the communications terminal used from the late 50's until in the 80s - first as a data  terminal connected to the telephone system with a modem. It was used to send messages to users and mostly for sending and receiving telegrams. Later the Teletype was used for a minicomputer printer and paper tape punch to store the data.  Long distant voice calling  were so expensive and unreliable it was rarely used  in the 50's and 60s'.

The Teletype was a totally mechanical device that could decode 8 bit data strings - ASCII code - and print all capital letters on paper & also punch paper tape for permanent Storage of the data. The Teletype could also read the paper tape and convert the code into the 8 bit serial ASCII data for transmitting over a telephone line using a modem. The word Byte for 8 bits of data most likely came from this sending and receiving alphabetic characters as 8 bits of data.  
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ASR 33 Teletype
Teletype 
The Teletype was a great invention however it was a mechanical monster with 100's of cams and levers that could and failed often. It was a mechanical device and very noisy & distracting in and office.

In the end of 1960's, 2 graduates at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio, Harry Pyle and Victor D. Poor, came up with the idea of a high density integrated circuit which would be programmable. Harry and Victors ideas were used to create the logic of the CTC2200 and this became the code for the 8008 microprocessor. When transistors and more importantly integrated circuits became available and all electronic version of the Teletype became possible.

The Computer  Terminal Corporation produced an electronic replacement for the Teletype the "CTC 2200". The CTC 2200 was actually programmable terminal using a custom designed 8 bit computer. The computer was made from discrete components and and small scale integrated  circuits. Microprocessors had not been  designed in the late 60's when the CTC2200 was developed.

The engineers at CTC did have the idea to put the computer logic they had designed into the CTC2200 on a single chip  - making a microprocessor.  A design team went to Intel to have them design and make a microprocessor  using the logic in the CTC2200. Robert Noyce of Intel when approached with this project did not like the idea as he thought a computer on a chip would hurt the memory chip market of Intel by competing with computer makers using the Intel memory chips.  However Robert Noyce did agree to make the chip for $50,000.

The CTC engineers also went to Texas Instruments and ask them to make the same chip to be sure they had a backup source.  The Texas Instrument chip did not function properly and was not used. The Intel chip was a long time in development. The CTC team decided to just build the 2200 terminal with there current design of about 100 small scale integrated circuits and give up the rights to the intellectual property rights for the   Intel microprocessor design --and did not pay the $50,000 to Intel.  Giving up the intellectual rights to the microprocessor is among the worst business decisions ever.

Intel went ahead with the full development of the microprocessor and called it the 8008. The microprocessor used the same digital logic and operational software codes as CTC2200 .

The computer logic in the CTC2200 then was an original 8 bit computer that used the 8008 software code and was  the beginning  of 8 bit computers (8008 microprocessor) for Intel.

Here are some links to more complete stories of the CTC2200 / Intel story. Some of the information I used came from these references.
Computer World 
History of Computers
San Antonio "Express-News"
Wikipedia

Their is a lot more to this very interesting story of how the first Intel 8 bit 8008 microprocessor came about - here is the REST of the STORY 

David G Larsen
I  remember for many years I did not think I would find a CTC2200 and wanted to have one for it is one of the first programmable microcomputers. During the late 80's I was able to find not only this fine example and the source also had a  model the CTC1100. The CTC 2200 and 1100 now are part of the "Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Collection"


Monday, October 19, 2015

8008 Microprocessor and how it became Intel's first 8 bit chip.

Updated 11-7-15
Here is a fascinating story about the how the Intel 8008 microprocessor chip became the first 8 bit chip designed at Intel. The 8008 microprocessor used the logic  of the Datapoint 2200 terminal.


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Datapoint 2200 terminal 


The Datapoint 2200 terminal - was an 8 bit programmable computer that came to market in 1971 --- way before Apple, IBM or Microsoft.





Datapoint 2200 terminal - audio description of the terminal/ computer and the Datapoint Corporationa and the 8008 microprocessor.

   More information "CLICK"

Here is a good look at the Datapoint Corporation  and a good read - also a lot of early history about the first microprocessor chips and Intel.

"Datapoint - The lost story of the Texans Who Invented the Personal Computer Revolution" by Lamont Wood - ISBN 978-1-936449-36-1
(2010) 325 pages

This book is about "Computer Terminal Corporation" and later known as Datapoint.

If you are interested in the start of the microcomputer revolution and the history of the pioneers - this is a must read book. Amazon Link


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The Man Who Invented the PC,Invention & Technology, Fall 1994 , by Lamont Wood.







Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
David Larsen
 I have 2 of  the Datapoint terminals in our museum and they always generate a lot of interest and questions for the curator.
           ."by David Larsen"  KK4WW Computer Collector Historian


Thursday, June 26, 2014

Vintage Computers - The Datapoint 2200 & "Computer Terminal Corporation" THE REST OF THE STORY!!

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Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
Datapoint 2200 computer
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The Personal Computer Revolution started in San Antonio, Texas.

This blog was updated 3/26/16 and posted .

I received a very informative response from Gordon Peterson to my video about the "Computer Terminal Corporation"  (CTC) 2200 Terminal.  The famous radio personality Paul Harvey would say - here is the Rest of the story.  You can read Gordon's fascinating  reply below.  I purchased the book he recommend about the CTC story. WOW it is an exciting read. The CTC story and the people involved is really an important story about the creative effort & computer that started the Personal Computer Revolution and the first  8 bit microprocessor for Intel  ---- the 8008.  Here is my first blog about the Datapoint 2200 "CLICK"

Gordon worked for Datapoint for 9 years and had a inside view of the of personalities, creation of products and the rise & fall of the company.
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Here is Gordon's response. 

The Datapoint 2200 was a revolutionary machine for a whole lot of reasons.  It was the first general-purpose computer designed for single-user, desktop use, and that looked more like a piece of office equipment than like a piece of exotic electronics.  I worked in Software Development / Advanced Product Development / R&D at Datapoint for more than 9 years, and it was a very rewarding time.   I designed and wrote the world's first commercially available LAN software there... the company sold over a billion dollars' worth of that product.  I also was the lead developer of the disk operating system there for several years.  A lot of us Datapoint folks are on the DatapointComputers Yahoogroup.  Also, there's a wonderful book about Datapoint's key role in the creation of personal computing... highly recommended.
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Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
Datapoint 1100
I was aware of "Computer Terminal Corporation" during my career teaching about instrumentation and computers at Virginia Tech however I seems to have missed a lot of the story. I am delighted to have one of the Datapoint 2200 on display in my museum. I also have a Datapoint 1100 in the computer warehouse that is in nice condition.



Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
Book about Datapoint
"Datapoint - The lost story of the Texans Who Invented the Personal Computer Revolution" by Lamont Wood - ISBN 978-1-936449-36-1
(2010) 325 pages

If you are interested in the start of the microcomputer revolution and the history of the pioneers - this is a must read book.





More resource information:

Here is some great research about the first microprocessor - Ken Shirriff's Blog 

 Datapoint Wikipedia

Datapoint Group on Yahoo 


David G Larsen
I  remember for many years I did not think I would find a CTC2200 and wanted to have one as it is one of the first 8 bit computers. During the late 80's I was able to find not only this fine example and the source also had a  CTC 1100. The CTC 2200 and 1100 now are part of the "Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Collection"



Wednesday, April 30, 2014

MARK 8 Vintage Computer

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Radio Electroics Magazine July 1974
Radio Electroics Magazine July 1974
Here are five MARK8 computers all very different in the construction. These MARK-8's are in our Bugbook Microcomputer collection.

The MARK 8 computers are all very unique - some made by people skilled to do a very good work and some inexperienced in building electronic devices.

You will see a real variety in the construction of the 5 MARK 8 computers in our collection.

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John Titus
MARK8 Computer
MARK8 #1    This is most likely the most complete and complex use of the MARK8 cards ever. Of course I don't know for sure and would like to hear from others about there knowledge of MARK8 Computers.

I can not imagine how many hours went into building and testing this computer. It was built for a specific use with many special cards. I have been researching for information about this computer and sent an email to WA4GVT- you will see in the next photo his amateur radio call letters are on the top front of the computer. I just received this reply today 5-5-14. Hi, Guilty as charged !! BUT with one exception, we owned that machine for a lot of years but I did not personally construct it. We were in the process of building one when this fell in our lap. I will try very hard to remember who I got it from and will let you know asap. Would love to see ur Museum some day and see some of the treasures there.
Perhaps we will find out who actually built this machine.



John Titus
MARK8 Computer


The front panel looks like it is operator friendly - with numbered keys to operate the computer and not the toggle switch register on the other Mark 8 computers.  The builder must have written a lot of code for the machine including a custom BIOS operating program -- just for the front panel.




John Titus
MARK8 CPU card 8008 microprocessor


The simple wire bus that John Titus used was directed to this add on board for a real computer bus system. All the cards plugged into this bus. The card here is the 8008 CPU card.






John Titus
Bus extender card for trouble shooting


A bus extender card came with the computer to ease the trouble shooting of various boards and software.







John Titus
MARK8 Computer



The computer is self contained with some custom cards and power supply built in.







John Titus
MARK8 Computer



I would like to know what the computer was used for as it has  a lot of I/O connectors on the back side.





                  
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Original Mark 8 Computer 
MARK 8 #2
This a very good example of a all the MARK 8 cards assembled into the basic MARK 8.  To have a working computer you had to add power supply, a case, and some way to enter data into the computer and execute programs.






Original Mark 8 Computer 
 A switch register front panel ( You see this in computer #4) was the simple approach.  You could add a serial interface and with software driver and use a teletype or other serial terminal to operate the computer.

This computer is on display in our "Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum" in Floyd Virginia.



     
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John Titus
MARK8 Computer
MARK 8 #3 This is an exact copy of John Titus's computer on display in the Smithsonian Museum.
The computer was built by Roy Justus of Christiansburg, Virginia. Roy was a student in my 'Electronics for Scientist' course at Virginia Tech in about 1973. Roy called me one day in 2007 and told me about the MARK8 he had built and would like me to have it in our "Bugbook Computer Museum. I felt very privileged to have this opportunity of such a fine gift. Needless to say when I viewed the computer I was really amazed at the great detailed construction Roy had done on the project.

John Titus
MARK8 Computer

Roy did not purchase these cards from the vendor John Titus used in his 1974 Radio Electronics article. Roy made the cards himself from the layouts furnished with the construction book you could purchase for about $5 at the time the article came out in 1974.  The boards and the wiring are a first class job -- take a look up close and see he even put strain releaf shrink wrap on each connection.





John Titus
MARK8 Computer
This is a working computer with an excellent manual of about 50 pages Roy wrote just for this project.

I am very proud to have this MARK 8 computer on display in our "Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum. The museum is located in downtown the Village Green in downtown Floyd Virginia. Come on by and take a look-- if you can't maybe my audio tour will be a help "CLICK".       THANK YOU  Roy Justus for this wonderful contribution to the museum.

We are using QR codes in our museum with audio description for each display case. If you would like to test and see -- here is what you get by clicking on the QR code with a smart phone -- this is display case #8 with the Roy Justus computer - click on photo to enlarge while hearing the audio tour to this cabinet. "CLICK to hear test"

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John Titus
MARK8 Computer

MARK8 #4 This MARK 8 computer was built by George Overfelt in 1975.  Very nice constuction of the basic computer with power supply, front panel and serial interface built in.

This MARK 8 is on loan to the "Mid-Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyist"  - 'MARCH'  group and is on display in their museum.

A video tour of this computer "CLICK"


John Titus
MARK8 Computer

When I received the computer in the late 80's it was still operational.







Here is a telephone conversation with George Overfelt about the MARK 8 and other computer topics 8-15-13 - Nice that George is still active at his age - We chat now and then by phone about this MARK 8 computer he built 38 years ago in 1976 - This added 8-15-13 

I think you will enjoy this conversion with George he tells his experience building the MARK8 and with other early computers.
Here is one of my first interviews 1-28-13 with George Overfelt 25 years after we acquired the MARK8 from him. Added here 8-22-13

John Titus
MARK8 Computer



George did a nice job of wiring . He was a professional electronics person.




John Titus
MARK8 Computer


You can see the power supple as it was built below the computer in the case.




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John Titus
MARK8 Computer


MARK8 #5
This MARK8 is a good example of how hobbyist were willing to try building their own computer. A minicomputer was the only alternative in 1974 and these cost thousands of dollars - most hobbyist could not make this kind of expensive purchase -- the MARK8 gave them an opportunity to build a computer for less then $1000.



John Titus
MARK8 Computer

I don't know if this computer ever worked but the builder put a lot of work into this project. It is rather crude in the packaging and the switch register on the front.







John Titus
MARK8 Computer



The rack holding the cards in fiber board and it is now starting to disintegrate. Real wood would have lasted just fine.

I have to give the builder credit for really putting a lot of work into having his own computer - I hope it worked for him.



John Titus
MARK8 memory board



Molex type connectors were used for the integrated circuit sockets and these are well known to fail often.






John Titus
MARK8 Computer


I do not know what the blue card is -- it is  not a standard MARK8 card. Looks like the builder had some skills to use this card.






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Other MARK-8 computers "CLICK"
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Terry Ritter tells his experience building a MARK8 in 1974 - It was a lot of work to get one into operating condition - interesting story.


The MARK 8 was available as a construction article in Radio Electronics July 1974.  John Titus designed this computer to satisfy his desire to have a computer of his own. This was the first time detail instructions were available to build a microcomputer using a microprocessor chip - the Intel 8008.  Several hundred sets of boards were sold however you had to gather the parts on you own to assemble the computer.  Not many were actually assembled and even less were made operational.  Perhaps less 50  exist today.  We are fortunate to have 5 in the "Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum" collection .

David G Larsen
These 5 MARK 8 computers are a result of many years of collecting. I remember in the mid 80's I had given away my MARK8 computers and started to look into adding one back into  the collection and over the last 26 years have  been very fortunate to gather these 5.  The 5 are an eclectic group all very different. Two are in our museum, one at MARCH and 2 still have their life in our Bugbook museum warehouse.
  

Thursday, March 27, 2014

Vintage Computer - 8008 Intel microprocessor

Intel Corporation Logo
Intel Corporation Logo
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It seems like I am always locating an interesting find in our museum warehouse. I have been spending a lot of time choosing  equipment to display in our expanded viewing area at the museum. A bag of (34) Intel 8008 chips  just said HI FRIEND to me.

                    A very short story about the 8008
The 8008 was the first 8 bit microprocessor by Intel Corporation and  introduced in April of 1972 for $120. This chip was commissioned by Computer Terminal Corporation (CTC) and was originally  labeled 1201. CTC designed the 'Datapoint 2200 Programmable Terminal' with TTL logic that  contained the logic of a tiny computer. The idea was to have the computer logic put on a single chip as a microprocessor. The engineers at CTC
Intel 8008 Microprocessor
8008 microprocessor
approached Intel and Robert Noyce agreed to produce a design for $50,000 in 1970. CTC also went to Texas Instruments as a second source.  Interestingly it is reported that Robert Noyce thought it was a dumb idea to do a single chip design for this purpose--- saying a single chip would hurt chip sales--- of course the reality was microprocessors took of like a rocket in just a few years and became the major source of income for Intel.

The 1201 chip was slow to be developed and did not work as intended. CTC gave up the intellectual rights to the 1201 and did not pay the $50,000. Intel went on to use the ideas of the 1201 to develop the 8008 microprocessor.  The 8008 is an 18 pin chip and needed several external chips to use the 14-bit address bus & control signals. It still proved that microprocessors were a real product and Intel quickly developed the 40 pin 8080 microprocessor.  The 8080 proved to be a great product and microprocessors as the heart of a microcomputers were out of the gate. Now they are invading the world as smart devices by the billions.

Some of this information is from  wikipedia Intel_8008

Today I located the 2200 Data point terminal in the Bugbook Computer Museum warehouse and will put it on display at our museum in Floyd Virginia. 4-4-14

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8008 Microprocessor
8008 Microprocessor

A close look at one of the 8008 microprocessor chips in the group of 34 in the "Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Musuem" warehouse.









8008 Microprocessor
8008 Microprocessor


Here is the whole group - in the plastic holders. I have not tested these chips and hope they are all functional.








8008 manual
8008 microprocessor manual


The manual for the 8008 microprocessor development systems made by Intel Corporation.   We have both the systems as shown on the cover in our museum display.









Intel 8008 Development system
Intel 8008 development system in our museum



This is one of the first Intel 8 bit microprocessor development systems as it resides in our "Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum"






CTC 2200
CTC 2200 
The 'Datapoint 2200 Programmable Terminal' made by  Computer Terminal Corporation (CTC). We have several of these in the museum warehouse and will put one on display in the new expanded museum. This programmable data terminal was the start of the 8008 microprocessor development.
Today I located the 2200 Data point terminal in the Bugbook Computer Museum warehouse and will put it on display at our museum in Floyd Virginia. 4-4-14





Here is the 2200 Data Point terminal  pulled off the shelf in the warehouse and still in the museum wrap. This is inventory number 92A so it was very early addition to the our warehouse.  I set it on top of an ASR 33 teletype for the photo and will get it out an get better photo when moved to our Computer Museum in Floyd Virginia.




MARK 8 microcomputer
MARK 8 microcomputer 

The Mark 8 by John Titus.  John was not the first to use the 8008 microprocessor in a computer however he was the first to build and publish a construction article on how to build your very own computer. This was published in Radio Electronics in June 1974. The computer in this photo is the one he build for the article and is on display at the Smithsonian. More info here "CLICK"



Way back in the 70/80's I worked with John Titus in a small group of 4 called "The Blacksburg Group". This article which was the last column John wrote for "Direct Design" before he retired. He mentions that early work together in a very complementary way. Sure makes me pleased John was helped by our relationship.


David G Larsen
I am always amazed when I visit our museum what  45 years of collecting and saving microcomputers for historical purposes has become for me. We have the inventory on a professional museum database "Past Perfect" and there are over 10,000 entries -- of course only a small part of this number are computers however it is still a hard for me to wrap my mind around all these items. Some day we will have a really complete microcomputer historical museum - here in the little Blue Ridge mountain community of Floyd Virginia. If you would like to know a bit more about Floyd take a look at this very good video that was just published about Floyd Virginia.