Showing posts with label 8008. Show all posts
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Tuesday, October 20, 2020

Intel 8008 Microprocessor began as a 'Computer Terminal Corporation 2200" - an Electronic Data Terminal

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This is a poplar post and I updated it and reposted it. David Larsen
The first 8 bit Intel microprocessor -the 8008 was the result of designing the Computer Terminal Corporation "CTC 2200" logic into a single chip.  The CTC2200 was a successful project to design an electronic version of the 'workhorse' Teletype data terminal  of the 60/70s  - the Teletype was an all mechanical  communications terminal with hundreds of gears and levers. .  CTC contracted  Intel to design a microprocessor however the process was slow and CTC did not  use the design.The result was Intel had its first 8 bit microprocessor (8008).  See short story about the interesting origin of the 8008 at the end of this post.

We are fortunate to have this CTC 2200 in our computer collection and on display in the museum.

See video of this computer "CLICK"


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CTC2200 data terminal
CTC2200 data terminal 

CTC's TTL-based desktop personal computer, called the Datapoint 2200, was unveiled in 1970, with cassette tapes for 130KB of mass storage and 8K of internal memory.

The first end user sale was to a chicken farmer in the South who programmed the CTC2200 to write payroll checks. So I you could say a chicken farmer was the first  user of a programmable microcomputer.


Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
CTC 2200 with case removed


The CTC 2200 is densely packed with Small Scale Integrated circuits and other parts. The mechanical design seems to be well done and the unit is solid and sturdy. ( also very heavy )







CTC2200 keyboard
CTC2200 keyboard

The design includes about 100 small scale integrated circuits along with discrete components- transistors - resistors -diodes and capacitors. In this photo you can see 4 printed circuit boards under the display and in back of the keyboard.  Their are 4 printed circuit boards under the tape deck area and 4 memory boards next to the CRT display.






CTC2200 back panel heat sink
CTC2200 back panel heat sink 

The unit was designed to fit in the same area as an IBM Selectric Typewriter. This did not give much room and the unit is packed with cards and circuits.

Here you see the large heat sink on the back of the terminal. It is heavy and weighs about 40 lbs.




CTC2200 memory cards
CTC2200 memory cards


The 4 memory cards each contain 4Kb of RAM for a total of 16 Kb. The CTC2200 machines with 16Kb sold for $16,000.







CTC2200 cassette tape decks
CTC2200 cassette tape decks



The unit had  2 read-write cassette decks for 130KB of mass storage.







CTC2200 CRT HV and driver circuits
CTC2200 CRT HV and driver circuits



A view of the high voltage for the CRT and Memory area.







CTC2200 serial # 498 on PC board
CTC2200 serial # 498 on PC board 




The only serial number I have found so far is 498 on the corner of this card.






Here is some great research about the first microprocessor - Ken Shirriff's Blog 


Short story about the origin of the Intel 8008 microprocessor.

The Teletype was the communications terminal used from the late 50's until in the 80s - first as a data  terminal connected to the telephone system with a modem. It was used to send messages to users and mostly for sending and receiving telegrams. Later the Teletype was used for a minicomputer printer and paper tape punch to store the data.  Long distant voice calling  were so expensive and unreliable it was rarely used  in the 50's and 60s'.

The Teletype was a totally mechanical device that could decode 8 bit data strings - ASCII code - and print all capital letters on paper & also punch paper tape for permanent Storage of the data. The Teletype could also read the paper tape and convert the code into the 8 bit serial ASCII data for transmitting over a telephone line using a modem. The word Byte for 8 bits of data most likely came from this sending and receiving alphabetic characters as 8 bits of data.  
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ASR 33 Teletype
Teletype 
The Teletype was a great invention however it was a mechanical monster with 100's of cams and levers that could and failed often. It was a mechanical device and very noisy & distracting in and office.

In the end of 1960's, 2 graduates at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio, Harry Pyle and Victor D. Poor, came up with the idea of a high density integrated circuit which would be programmable. Harry and Victors ideas were used to create the logic of the CTC2200 and this became the code for the 8008 microprocessor. When transistors and more importantly integrated circuits became available and all electronic version of the Teletype became possible.

The Computer  Terminal Corporation produced an electronic replacement for the Teletype the "CTC 2200". The CTC 2200 was actually programmable terminal using a custom designed 8 bit computer. The computer was made from discrete components and and small scale integrated  circuits. Microprocessors had not been  designed in the late 60's when the CTC2200 was developed.

The engineers at CTC did have the idea to put the computer logic they had designed into the CTC2200 on a single chip  - making a microprocessor.  A design team went to Intel to have them design and make a microprocessor  using the logic in the CTC2200. Robert Noyce of Intel when approached with this project did not like the idea as he thought a computer on a chip would hurt the memory chip market of Intel by competing with computer makers using the Intel memory chips.  However Robert Noyce did agree to make the chip for $50,000.

The CTC engineers also went to Texas Instruments and ask them to make the same chip to be sure they had a backup source.  The Texas Instrument chip did not function properly and was not used. The Intel chip was a long time in development. The CTC team decided to just build the 2200 terminal with there current design of about 100 small scale integrated circuits and give up the rights to the intellectual property rights for the   Intel microprocessor design --and did not pay the $50,000 to Intel.  Giving up the intellectual rights to the microprocessor is among the worst business decisions ever.

Intel went ahead with the full development of the microprocessor and called it the 8008. The microprocessor used the same digital logic and operational software codes as CTC2200 .

The computer logic in the CTC2200 then was an original 8 bit computer that used the 8008 software code and was  the beginning  of 8 bit computers (8008 microprocessor) for Intel.

Here are some links to more complete stories of the CTC2200 / Intel story. Some of the information I used came from these references.
Computer World 
History of Computers
San Antonio "Express-News"
Wikipedia

Their is a lot more to this very interesting story of how the first Intel 8 bit 8008 microprocessor came about - here is the REST of the STORY 

David G Larsen
I  remember for many years I did not think I would find a CTC2200 and wanted to have one for it is one of the first programmable microcomputers. During the late 80's I was able to find not only this fine example and the source also had a  model the CTC1100. The CTC 2200 and 1100 now are part of the "Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Collection"


Saturday, April 25, 2015

8008 &8080 - microprocessor -comments about the origin of Intel's first 8 bit micro chips

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I have had some interesting emails from Jack Frassanito. Jack was brought into Computer Terminal Corporation (later called Datapoint) along with Vic Poor, Jonathan Schmidt, Harry Pyle and a team of designers, engineers and programmers to create the Datapoint 2200. Footnote 1

All the photos below were sent to me by Jack Frassanito and are part of his intellectual property.

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Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
Datapoint 2200
CTC's TTL-based desktop personal 8 bit computer, called the Datapoint 2200, was unveiled in 1970, with cassette tapes for 130KB of mass storage and 8K of internal memory.

The first end user sale was to a chicken farmer in the South who programmed the Datapoint 2200 to write payroll checks. You could say a chicken farmer was the first  user of a programmable personal computer.

The Datapoint 2200 in our Museum is a Datapoint 2200 version II and Jack just furnished more information about the version II - Here are his comments.

"Also the instruction set for the 8080 was also a Datapoint II (less two instructions). So not only was the 8008 a Datapoint computer so was the 8080. The story is in the chapter about Datapoint and Intel. The Datapoint II was an order of magnitude faster than the Datapoint I.

Gus and I argued for owning the rights to the microprocessor but at the time it was easer to upgrade the TTL version and by the time the 8080 was available we were working on a much faster processor.

Chapter 12 (Lamont Wood's book) is a good first person account of how the 8080 came about based on the Datapoint II processor design. (Less two instructions). Dave (Dave Monroe at Datapoint) wrote a translator that would run Datapoint software on the 8080 but it never gained any traction with management. Another dumb mistake.

The 8080 was approximately 100 times faster than the 8008. 

This is significant step in function and solidified the microprocessors place in the history computing."
Footnote 4

Video by Datapoint about the 2200 "CLICK"

The 8 bit computer - Datapoint 1100 "CLICK"

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Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
Datapoint 2200 Patent
"As a named inventor (Jack Frassanito) of the 2200 I also negotiated the original agreement with Bob Noyce of Intel to develop the 8008. It was a fulsome debate at the time and we lost the argument within Datapoint." Footnote 2

Jack is referring to giving up the intellectual rights to the first microprocessor based on the 8 bit computer logic in the 2200. Datapoint  contracted with Intel to design the logic of the 2200 into one chip for $50,000.  However in the end Datapoint agreed to give the rights to Intel and did not pay the $50,000. This became the 8008 microprocessor and launched Intel into the very successful microprocessor business.  

Datapoint gives up right to the 8008 microprocessor - see part of story here "CLICK"

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Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
Datapoint 2200 Patent 




Datapoint 2200.
Patent 224,515 dated July 25,1972 - filed November 27th,1970.









Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
Jack Frassanito, J.Phillip Ray  and Gus Roche
Jack Frassanito, J.Phillip Ray  and Gus Roche at Dr.McClure meeting. They produced the Datapoint 2200 computer and their names are on the U. S. Design patent 223,415 filed November 27,1970. Footnote 1



Gordon Peterson Datapoint
Gordon Peterson 
Gordon Peterson worked for Datapoint for 9 years and had a inside view of the of personalities, creation of products and the rise & fall of the company.


"The Datapoint 2200 was a revolutionary machine for a whole lot of reasons.  It was the first general-purpose computer designed for single-user, desktop use, and that looked more like a piece of office equipment than like a piece of exotic electronics.  I worked in Software Development / Advanced Product Development / R&D at Datapoint for more than 9 years, and it was a very rewarding time.   I designed and wrote the world's first commercially available LAN software there... the company sold over a billion dollars' worth of that product.  I also was the lead developer of the disk operating system there for several years.  A lot of us Datapoint folks are on the DatapointComputers Yahoogroup.  Also, there's a wonderful book about Datapoint's key role in the creation of personal computing... highly recommended." Footnote 3

More info from Gordon Peterson 10-29-15

 I found out about the Datapoint 2200 back about '71-'72, and among other things wrote (in assembler!) a 2200 emulator (which ran Datapoint's Cassette Tape Operating System, CTOS!) that ran on the University's IBM 360/75 mainframe.  ;-)   I showed some of my programs to Datapoint at their booth at the National Computer Conference in Chicago in spring 1974, and by they talked me into moving to San Antonio to work for the company in Software Development.

My first program I wrote there was the REFORMAT utility, and then took over the job of modifying their Disk Operating System to work on the new 25-Mb 2314-type disk drives, and the new 8" floppy diskette drives (and then reworked it for the new 5500 and 6600 series processors).  Wrote several other utilities (and heavily modified many more) and combined the DOS itself and many utilities (and their documentation) into a more cohesive product, which became DOS.B (2200/25Mb), DOS.A (2200/2.5Mb), DOS.C (2200/floppy), DOS.D (5500/25Mb), and DOS.E (5500/2.5Mb).  There was also a DOS.F (5500/floppy), which was never released as a product.

Worked on many other products and internal stuff, including the Partition Supervisor (which could run multiple copies of the DOS on one computer) and then proposed and wrote The ARC System, the world's first commercially available local area network.  That product changed the world of computing forever from monolithic mainframes to modular architectures and incremental expandability.
Footnote 5.

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Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
Story by Lamont Wood

Easy to read text of this article "CLICK"

Story by Lamont Wood. Lamont later wrote the book "Datapoint- The lost Story of the Texans who invented the personal Computer Revolution"

Lamont's book is very interesting and I recommend you read it if you are interested in the first days of the microprocessor and microcomputer revolution.  More information here "CLICK" (Ed S thank you for this link.)





Lamont Wood
Amazon Best  Seller 


Lamont Wood's book "Datapoint- The lost Story of the Texans who invented the personal Computer Revolution" available on Amazon.

My comments about Lamont Woods book.





Information about the Datapoint 1100 "CLICK"


Works cited.
Footnote 1 - Lamont Wood's book "Datapoint- The lost Story of the Texans who invented the personal Computer Revolution" back cover & page 318.
Footnote 2 -This is from email to me from Jack Frassanito Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 3:23 PM.
Footnote 3- This is from email to me from Gordon Peterson.
Footnote 4- Email sent to me Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:19 AM.
Footnote 5- From Comment By Gordon Peterson on this blog a posted October 19,2015.

David G Larsen
David Larsen
The email's from Jack Frassanito and Gordon Peterson gave me some great inside information about the Datapoint 8 bit computer story. I recommend reading Lamont Wood's book - lots of info about the development of the first microprocessor at Intel as well as the Datapoint story.


Monday, July 7, 2014

Vintage computing - Who started the Personal Computer Revolution ??

"The Lost Story of the Texans Who Invented the Personal Computer Revolution"  a 327 page book by Lamont Wood & published in 2010.
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Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum
Datapoint book by Lamont Wood 
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Bugbooks
This book is a fresh look at the early history of the microprocessor .  Specifically who had the idea for the first Intel 8 bit microprocessor chip. I just finished reading the book a found it to be fascinating and a new look at not only the Datapoint 2200 but also the start of the Intel microprocessor chips.

 July 10,1971 - The first desk top mass produced 8 bit computer with internal memory, keyboard, screen, mass storage, operating system, and communication ability. The Datapoint 2200 designed and marketed by "Computer Terminal Corporation" was really a personal computer that was priced way below the minicomputers that were the small computer market at that time. The idea for the Datapoint 2200 was based on plans as far back as 1968 - years before Bill Gate and Paul Allen started Microsoft or Steve Wozniak designed the Apple 1 microcomputer. The logic of the 2200 was the basis of the Intel 8008 chip.

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Datapoint 2200 View Video "CLICK"
Lamont Wood tells a lot about the whole process of the Intel start up for the 4 bit and 8 bit microprocessors.  The developers at Computer Terminal Corporation took there design of the Datapoint 2200 to Intel. They contracted with Intel to develop a  single chip (Microprocessor ) version of the 8 bit computer in the 2200.   The  computer circuitry of the 2200 was made with about 100 small scale digital integrated circuits. A lot of Intel and other microprocessor history included in Lamont's book.

The founders of Computer Terminal Corporation (CTC)- Gus Roche, Phil Ray and Jack Frassanito  - had a great head start and could have been the current big boys in the personal computer business. However not being able to see the future of computing they gave up the rights to the microprocessor to Intel.  CTC did not redesign the Datapoint Terminal ( Computer ) to use the microprocessor chip and sold it for a many years with the original design using just small scale integrated circuits. Later models did use microprocessor chips but the company fell apart when some of the sales folks start to cook the books on sales. This underhanded operation by a few of the sales people caused the investors of Wall Street to pull the  plug on investment funds and this ended the great start of the Personal Computer business by CTC. February 1982 was the last good day for share prices of CTC.  CTC had over 9000 employees and was not a small company however it is only history at this time.

I recommend this book for people who are interested in the personal computer and microprocessor history before - Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Steve Wozniak, Steve Jobs and IBM.  This is really an amazing story that most of us missed  that were working in the computer field during the early years - 1970 + .

The CTC 2200 story in really fascinating and not well known - you will like the book.

Here is an original Datapoint promotional movie - about 1980 "CLICK" 

To take a close look at the inside of the Datapoint 2200 view this video "CLICK"

Here is a link to Amazon for the book.

I want to thank Gordon Peterson who suggested this book and worked for CTC for about 9 years as a major software developer. Gordon wrote  "Local Area Network"  (LAN) software for the 2200. This was way before LAN's were available for the Apple and IBM personal computers. See some of his information here "CLICK". Gordon corrected information I had about the Datapoint 1100 - I was in error about some assumptions and also miss named the 1100 in some of my text as a 2100.

Here are Gordon's comments about the Datapoint 1100
 Gordon Peterson wrote:
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Of course you can use my comments!

The 1100 could do anything the 2200 could do, except for (of course) the cassette functions (since it lacked those).

The fact that this one was shipped with only a single diskette drive suggested that it wasn't doing a lot of data stuff... maybe serving more as a terminal or something... as opposed to (say) running Datashare with multiple terminals (a 2200 could support up to 8 serial terminals).  This 1100 might have been running DSREMOTE (perhaps) in a field office.  (These machines by the way were usually referred to as the "Diskette 1100").

It would have (almost certainly) been running DOS.C (2200 processor, diskette drive(s)) although in theory, one COULD have also attached a 2.5 (or even 25) Mb controller and drive(s) and then run either DOS.A or DOS.B (respectively) on it, although you would have had to boot from the floppy and then load the DOS.A or DOS.B bootstrap from the floppy.  I don't know that anybody ever actually did that.

BTW, just for point of interest, a 16K 2200 carried a list price of about $14,000 back then.

A (non-bundled) 2.5Mb disk controller and (DIablo Series 30-type) cartridge disk drive was about $9800 more.

David G Larsen
 During the late 80's I was able to acquire a fine example of the model 2200 and a model 1100. The CTC 2200 and 1100 now are part of the "Bugbook Historical Microcomputer Museum"

Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Vintage Computer Intel MCB8-10 Microcomputer 1972




The Intel MCB8-10 is one of the first microcomputers using the 8008 microprocessor. I am sure there are earlier ones but this seems to be about the first one from Intel. I acquired this microcomputer in 1981 from my friend Robert (Bob) Stone. Bob was on the lookout for memorabilia to add to our historical microcomputer collection. I had known Bob for at least 10 years while he worked at Virginia Tech. He was also pursuing a degree while working.  In 1981 when he purchased this computer he had received his PhD and moved to the Sunnyvale area of California. There were many great shops in the Bay area for computer and electronic hobbyist in those days. The shops were packed with the early microcomputer surplus things from the local Silicon Valley   start up companies.  Remember the microcomputer revolution was only 10 years old starting in 1971 more or less with the first commercial microprocessor chip 4004.  The Apple 1 microcomputer only arrived on the computer genera in 1976.  The Bay area electronic junk shops were full of items any collector today would have absolute euphoria over and think they had died and gone to collector heaven.

Bob was able to purchase this MCB8-10 for me at the Halted Specialties Co., Inc in Sunnyvale CA. for $125.00.  That was a tidy price for those days but this was a rare computer even at that time.  The name Halted Specialties makes me think "Stuff no longer made or sold". 





The microcomputer MCB8-10 First Intel 8 Bit Development  System. This uses the 8008 microprocessor and was used to develop hardware, software and program 1702 EPROM'S for final product design . I do not find much information about this system on the internet. A few other collectors do have them in there collections. I  have several manuals for the system so it is a well documented system. I was able to add the MCS8-10 to my collection in 1981 and it is in very good condition. This is not the first Intel development system however it may be the first 8 bit development system.



 

 Part of control panel with switch register                                 CPU card with memory


This is Nate Cleveland , he works after school with the microcomputer collection doing data entry and web updates.  Nate ( High School student and part time staff ) is holding the 8008 system manual for the computer.  Our LCF Group employs 2 addition part time student office assistants - they are now in college however they started while in High School. These student assistants are a tremendous help with our museum collection and display. The photo at the top of my blog was designed by Student Intern Amber Ingram using the panel from the MCB8-10.
   
This video was made 3 years ago and I do think
my editing has improved.  The Intel MCB8-10
Microcomputer
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Dr. Robert T. Stone (acquired  Intel Development System in this blog for our collection)  worked with us in the old days of the "Blackburg Group" about 1980. He coauthored this book "Design of VMOS Circuits" with Howard Berlin.  Robert and Howard were authors in our "Blacksburg Continuing Education Series" and wrote several excellent books. 

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 This is one more hat I ware in addition to 'Computer Collector/Historian' .  Bernie Coveney on the left with CD master & me David Larsen with our contract- We commissioned Bernie to write, compose and record a theme song for our "Chantilly Festival Farm" . Bernie produced  great Bluegrass theme music and we will be using it on all our  Chantilly Farm promotional media. I  will also use it as branding for my video's in the future. I already started with my last video "Vintage SCELBI Computer". I will use it here on the blog when I can learn how to add music. "by David Larsen" - Computer Collector/Historian